And there is a move on toward a North American union, just like early on there was a move on for a European Union, and it eventually ended up.
And there is a move on toward a North American Union, just like early on there was a move on for a European Union, and eventually ended up. So we had NAFTA and moving toward a
NAFTA highway. These are real things. It's not somebody made these up. It's not a conspiracy. They don't talk about it, and they might not admit about it, but there's been money spent on it. There was legislation passed in the Texas legislature unanimously to put a halt on it. They're planning on millions of acres taken by eminent domain for an international highway from Mexico to Canada, which is going to make the immigration problem that much worse.
So it's not so much a secretive conspiracy, it's a contest between ideologies, whether we believe in our institutions here, our national sovereignty, our Constitution, or are we going to further move into the direction of international government, more U.N.
You know, this country goes to war under U.N. resolutions. I don't like big government in Washington, so I don't like this trend toward international government. We have a WTO that wants to control our drug industry, our nutritional products. So, I'm against all that.But it's not so much as a sinister conspiracy. It's just knowledge is out there. If we look for it, you'll realize that our national sovereignty is under threat.
Speaking of Ron Paul, did you hear the one about how Ron Paul only lost the New Hampshire primary because of voter fraud? Apparently there were thousand person demonstrations everywhere but the media ignored them all. It turns out that in some towns Ron Paul had zero votes even though Ron Paul supporters know of people in those towns that voted for him.
My mom, aunt, and dad all voted for RP today in my hometown, My mom and aunt both work passing out ballots, and checking them off. I just looked at the politico map and it says their town has ZERO votes for Ron. Now i know that there isn't corruption on voting in that little town, so where they reported it must be. What do I do, anyone know???
"This town numbers are wrong wrong wrong on this map. I am from Sutton originally and my parents and one aunt all voted for Ron Paul today and Sutton says 0. So this is wrong. This is a town that had 20 people counting the ballots and I have no reason to believe that they cheated. Small town and I was born and raised there. The real numbers will come in by morning. The electronic machines in the big towns are the ones we have to worry about."
Then, there's the Council on Foreign Relations. This isn't merely a foreign policy think tank. In fact, they are the wizards behind the curtains trying to create the New World Order.
The issue involves much more than a difference of philosophy, or political . Growing up in the midst of the "Cold War," our generation were taught that those who attempted to abolish our national sovereignty and overthrow our Constitutional government were committing acts of treason. Please judge for yourself if the group discussed is guilty of such.
If one group is effectively in control of national governments and multinational corporations; promotes world government through control of media, foundation grants, and education; and controls and guides the issues of the day; then they control most options available. The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), and the financial powers behind it, have done all these things, and promote the "New World Order", as they have for over seventy years.
The CFR is the promotional arm of the Ruling Elite in the United States of America. Most influential politicians, academics and media personalities are members, and it uses its influence to infiltrate the New World Order into American life. Its' "experts" write scholarly pieces to be used in decision making, the academics expound on the wisdom of a united world, and the media members disseminate the message.
To understand how the most influential people in America came to be members of an organization working purposefully for the overthrow of the Constitution and American sovereignty, we have to go back at least to the early 1900's, though the story begins much earlier (depending on your viewpoint and beliefs).
Then, there's Bob Barr, Libertarian Party candidate for President in 2008. Did you hear the one about how Bob Barr was a Republican plant sent in to create chaos in the Libertarian Party?
In 2006 the Reform Caucus radically watered down the LP platform. In 2008 the Reform Caucus pushed forward Bob Barr and Wayne Root as the nominees. Due to these two efforts it is now difficult to distinguish the Libertarian Party from a watered down Republican Party. The Drug War is perhaps the only area of clear difference, as the War Caucus (misnamed as the Defense Caucus) insists that it is wrong to list being against wars of aggression as a libertarian value.
In 2008 Alan Keyes also attempted to gain the nomination of the Constitution Party, but succeeded only in getting their ballot line in the state of California. Being the most populous state that ballot line is crucial to any party that seeks to grow large enough to be considered a major party someday, and the vote is split between Keyes and the actual Constitution Party nominee. In 2000 Patrick Buchanan sought and won the nomination of the Reform Party, and that party has since disappeared.
It would not be far fetched to suggest that the Republican Party has been cynically manipulating third parties for their personal gain.
Libertarians have several bold ideas: legalize drugs, get rid of the Fed, the IRS, the FDA, and the Department of Education, just to name a few. Some say it's their extreme ideas that do them in. It's not. After all, the last campaign was won on the platform of change. You want revolutionary change. Just talk to a libertarian for a few minutes. On political philosophy, they make a strong case for limited and less intrusive government.
I've always had an affinity for the libertarian philosophy. That's because libertarians model their political ideology based on the spirit of the founding fathers. The entire revolution was fought over the idea of liberty. The founding fathers fought against the tyranny of an intrusive government. There is some difference between a meddling FDA and the tyrannical king, but ultimately, the fight comes from the same place. Government intrudes in our lives just the same whether it's in the spirit of regulating food or simply a tyrannical monarch.
Yet, it's the conspiracy theories where they lose people. It's one thing to say that the Federal Reserve is an organization out of control with power. It's quite another to link them to a new world order, and claim that the chairman is a puppet being controlled by a secret group of power players that no one can identify. The problem with libertarians is that everything ends in a conspiracy theory. Nothing is as it is. Instead, everything is not as it appears. Ideology gets clouded by nuttiness. Ron Paul wasn't merely a marginal candidate that did much better than anyone expected. Instead, he had his nomination stolen. Everything ends in conspiracy.
It's a matter of framing. The minute you spin yarns you become a nut. Nothing you say matters anymore. Talk to a libertarian for five minutes and you'll find an interesting and provocative political philosophy. Talk to them for ten minutes and you'll find a conspiratorial nut. Unfortunately, that clouds many good political philosophies.
So then, I guess you believe in the "By Accident" theory of history. That means that important, powerful people just leave important issues to chance. They don't link up with other important, powerful people and try to get things to go the way they want. It must be nice to live in your world. Too bad it is not the real world.
Actually, I believe that no one can control the world. I don't think that even powerful people can simply control the world. No one leaves anything to chance, but no one can control all events either.
I really don't even know what you are trying to say, but I don't believe that the Fed is a puppet master and I certainly don't believe that there is a group of folks that control the fed and make the chairman the mouthpiece.
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.
Thomas Jefferson. Another damned Conspiracy Theorist.
… it would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government …” - David Rockefeller in Baden-Baden, Germany 1991, thanking major media for keeping secret for decades the movement of the prophetic one world government.
You didn't mention New Hampshire, a state with strong libertarian traditions where Dr. Paul's campaign had internal polling showing him near 30%. He lost that election and John McCain won. The funny thing is that exit polls showed that McCain's voters listed 'Opposition to the war in Iraq' as their number one issue. But McCain didn't oppose the war. He said it was OK if the US remained there for 50 years. So either New Hampshire votes were miserably uninformed about the candidate's positions, or there was some serious funny business during the vote count. Which one, I don't know.
Not all conspiracy theories are created equal. I don't believe in space aliens at Area 51, but if the conspiracy is voter fraud, then we are talking about something that very well could be real. 'He who counts the vote decides nothing. He who counts the vote decides everything.
You are correct in so far as yes there is information available but you are incorrect otherwise. The true intent was never divulged to the American people if it had been the people pushing it would have been run out of town on a rail years ago. That was one of Carroll Quigley's problems with it (he was clintons mentor and the author of The Tragedy and Hope) that was about the only good thing about Quigley he felt it should not be a secret the populace should be told. The intent was to "even out" the suffering and it was necessary to destroy Americas middle class to do so thus outsourcing, globalization, etc.
I'm sorry, I initially put Connecticut when I meant New Hampshire. Of course, that comment proved my point. So too, did the other comments. Thank you for proving my point.
It occurs to me that Libertarians long for the days when everybody provided for themselves and everybody knew everybody else. While we can't shrink the population of the United States to the point our population density matches Mongolia, have you considered becoming Amish?
I think the second part is a mischaracterization and frankly, the philosophy is interesting. Like I said, you can't get any traction when you turn everything into a conspiracy theory.
You are stereotyping a group based on just a few members.
Also, most of the big conspiracy theorists are also anti-free market economics, definitely not libertarian.
If by a few people, you mean its leader, Ron Paul, and his most dedicated followers. Ask the average Ron Paul supporter if he won in New Hampshire, and they will spin you the yarn I referenced. Notice the comment. Ask them about the fed, you will get the yarn I referenced. Ask them about one world government, the CIA, and you will get even more yarns.
The ideology is now driven by folks that are driven by conspiracy theories.
You have some nerve, Volpe, and some guts. My buddy Barry Ritholtz (everybody knows that guy) might say you are "link baiting", but I wish I had your nerve and guts. I am beginning to think the Libertarians, neocons, and Southern racists destroyed the Republican Party, stripping it of all the progressives, pragmatists, and realists that built this country. But maybe the left wing of my GOP is coming back - nation builders such as TR, Eisenhower, and Nelson Rockefeller - and today I honor eight names:
Rep. Mary Bono Mack (R-Calif.)*
Rep. Mike Castle (R-Del.)
Rep. John McHugh (R-N.Y.)
Rep. Frank LoBiondo
Rep. Leonard Lance (R-N.J.)
Rep. Mark Kirk (R-Ill.)
Rep. Dave Reichert (R-Wash.)
Rep. Chris Smith (R-N.J.)
If you follow politics, you will know why I honor these people. Like you, Volpe, they have some guts.
* BTW she's pretty hot in person.
Those eight of course voted for cap and trade. As for link baiting, here is the wikipedia link to that.
Link bait is any content or feature within a website that somehow baits viewers to place links to it from other websites. Matt Cutts defines link bait as anything "interesting enough to catch people's attention." Link bait can be an extremely powerful form of marketing as it is viral in nature.
If I did this, it was entirely by accident. I won't lie that I was attempting to be provocative.
As for Barry Ribholts, he's a CEO and CNBC contributor.
I don't think that I am necessarily all that guts or full of nerve. I just thought of this after speaking with enough libertarian thinkers.
the damage done by the conspiracy theorists to the libertarian party has been immense.
This minority part of the libertarian is very vocal and has given the part a reputation of being a bunch of kooks
For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure — one world, if you will. If that is the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.
* Page 405 of Rockefeller's autobiography, "Memoirs"
I know many libertarians and they all have a list of conspiracy theories that would choke a horse.
BTW You forgot the 911 Theory
Obama is gonna cancel elections!!!!!!!
The Pope was behind the Lincoln assassination!!!!!!!
These, and many other lunatic conspiracy theories are breathlessly and mindlessly forwarded on uncounted libertarian mailing lists and swallowed by the fruitcake idiots that populate such lists. Daring to disagree with them means that one is not a "patriot" and that one is actually a secret agent sent to undermine "the cause". I kid you not.
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