tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3098264341625381422.post8231930457486881795..comments2024-03-18T17:01:07.165-07:00Comments on The Provocateur: The Rind Study: Justifying Pedophiliamike volpehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02999118519606254362noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3098264341625381422.post-66934562308874177652017-12-05T10:45:04.535-08:002017-12-05T10:45:04.535-08:00What's really insane is that this shit was deb...What's really insane is that this shit was debunked multiple times, and yet today, my psych teacher still put this study up as some sort of great scientific standard. It's nice to see some common sense regarding this disgusting study on the internet. This study comes straight from Kinsey's playbook, the same Kinsey who encouraged pedophiles to document and report their disgusting acts to him. Basically, find a sexually deranged subpopulation and present them as normal people. Some teenagers do lust after adults. They should be excluded from these studies, not propped up as regular people.lana_33https://www.blogger.com/profile/14591026059094697624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3098264341625381422.post-79793756808254349872016-05-23T07:00:26.662-07:002016-05-23T07:00:26.662-07:00When we start long path of criminalizing behavior ...When we start long path of criminalizing behavior that poses a risk of harm, as opposed to actual harm, through the color of law, there are real dangers of an overbroad distortion of the principle by those enforcing such laws. Even assuming moral arguments can be empirically proven, it is difficult to comply with the principle of fair imputation; a normative link does not exist between a behavior and a future abusive behavior simply because that behavior may influence others to future abusive behavior. Many laws about Jews in Nazi Germany and many laws concerning women and blacks in early U.S. law were morally wrong. Many apartheid laws in South Africa were morally wrong. But there have also been government programs set up by law that simply mistakenly harmed the people they were intended to help, such as aspects of the welfare rules that ended up trapping people in poverty rather than assisting them to escape it. Most of the opponents like Schlessinger have spoken in propositions, mostly with strong emotional loading and much rhetoric. Calling the Rind study,"junk science at its worst" Schlessinger claimed the point of the article was to normalize pedophilia and even implied that two of the authors traveled over the world to promote adult-child sex (Lilienfeld, 2002b, p. 178). The authors were careful to emphasize that lack of harm doesn't mean adult-child sexual contact is morally permissible. The Rind study concluded stating subjects who had been sexually abused were nearly as well-adjusted as those who were not. Their results were similar to earlier studies using community samples (Bauserman & Rind, 1997; Rind & Tromovitch, 1997). The phony doctor Schlessinger used her position as a Conservative talk show host and urged Congress to take formal action against the APA. Raymond D. Fowler, Chief Executive Officer of the APA, initially defended the article which also suggested that a more neutral terms such as "adult-child sex" and "adult-adolescent sex" be used rather than "child sexual abuse" to describe willing encounters between adults and minors that the young person experienced as positive in the peer review process (Garrison & Kobor, 2002). For example, it is wrong to cheat on your wife, yet it is not a matter of justice; therefore if it's not a matter of justice, coercive institutions lie. the State should not get involved. It is also wrong to look at obscene images; However it should not be a matter of justice because it lacks coerciveness. Therefore, the State should not get involved. Morality involves a set of principles which would guide one to righteousness but are clearly subjective.<br />1TruthMovement https://www.blogger.com/profile/02750433179096467952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3098264341625381422.post-78047684070444173252011-04-15T01:56:51.844-07:002011-04-15T01:56:51.844-07:00Man, the comments in here are characteristic of a ...Man, the comments in here are characteristic of a paranoid society which clings to controversy, blindly being led by popular media. There are plenty of studies which prove children are inherently sexual beings, oppressed by western cultural to be "innocent". Kinsey reported babies, toddlers, infants, children, tweens, teens masturbating and able to achieve orgasms. In the 1800s and early 1900s babarians of parents purchased torturous restraints to prevent children from masturbating. Many would point to good old Christian values for "protecting" children from sex. There is no mention in the Bible regarding a requirement to "protect" children. I think it was King Josiah who got married at 8. On the flip side everyone is happy with multiple marriages, shuffling kids from home to home, what a mess. Read the facts and stop following the crowd like a lamb.BTNnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3098264341625381422.post-71151299260648027482008-12-31T07:47:00.000-08:002008-12-31T07:47:00.000-08:00Obviously, according to the study, the harm done w...Obviously, according to the study, the harm done when the child consents is either reduced or non-existant. As for what you know mike, how often have you seen cases of child-adult sex? Are you qualified to tell the difference between damage done from the incident and damage done when society tells the "victim" that what was done to them was wrong? I'm not saying that child-adult sex has no reprecussions, as the study clearly showed that unconsenting sex did have negative effects associated, but so do adult-adult cases of rape. Maybe instead of blindly ignoring any scientific data that goes against your opinion, you should look at the study with an open mind. Like a previous anon said, if you think its wrong, find something wrong with the methodology, if you can't, you might as well accept that study as valid.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3098264341625381422.post-13797592813313374252008-09-28T16:25:00.000-07:002008-09-28T16:25:00.000-07:00The harm allegedly done. Are you kidding me? I don...The harm allegedly done. Are you kidding me? I don't need a study to know that the harm to choldren is devastating.mike volpehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02999118519606254362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3098264341625381422.post-6127538195615352022008-09-28T16:18:00.000-07:002008-09-28T16:18:00.000-07:00A scientific study is a scientific study. If you w...A scientific study is a scientific study. If you want to criticize it, you have to assess his methodology.<BR/><BR/>Rind's study doesn't justify pedophilia, it minimizes the harm alledgedly done.<BR/><BR/>People always say that the abused children are destroyed. But scientific datas show it is not systematic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3098264341625381422.post-11530109289823791572008-08-17T12:07:00.000-07:002008-08-17T12:07:00.000-07:00What's insane is that this study was given legitim...What's insane is that this study was given legitimacy by the APA and the medical community at large. What's insane is that institutions with prestige like Temple and UPenn gave this guy funds to make his insane thesis a matter of "academic" debate.mike volpehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02999118519606254362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3098264341625381422.post-75401466961580727902008-08-17T12:00:00.000-07:002008-08-17T12:00:00.000-07:00So basically, it seems that Rind is sating "If the...So basically, it seems that Rind is sating "If the act leaves a negative impression on the child, then it is wrong, but if the impression is positive or neutral, then it is perfectly fine." So, if Rind were to have it his way, pedophilia would be a crime that would result in about half the defendants going free an the other half incarcerated? A better crime correlates to lessened/no sentence, while a worse "man/boy love" session results in a longer sentence? This is insane.Jayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05263338263363365160noreply@blogger.com