tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3098264341625381422.post4680257045255868921..comments2024-03-18T17:01:07.165-07:00Comments on The Provocateur: The Evolution of the Tea Partiesmike volpehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02999118519606254362noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3098264341625381422.post-7606506165130318722009-08-08T17:48:49.982-07:002009-08-08T17:48:49.982-07:00You didnt answer his questions about there being N...You didnt answer his questions about there being NO corresponding rise in Republican support.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3098264341625381422.post-58020230506651563122009-08-08T08:52:15.064-07:002009-08-08T08:52:15.064-07:00that's funny since there's not one CBO pro...that's funny since there's not one CBO projection that says this plan will save money. How many CBO projections have you seen? Could you cite these CBO projections? The CBO puts everything on line. <br /><br />Let me let you in on a secret. The bill is already dead. Obama can only save it by scrapping it and starting over. Do you really think that the Dems will pass a bill, on their own, when it gets 30 some percent approval?mike volpehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02999118519606254362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3098264341625381422.post-22466951854112548112009-08-08T08:34:36.198-07:002009-08-08T08:34:36.198-07:00Every single CBO projection I have seen shows that...Every single CBO projection I have seen shows that the only way this bill will save money is if the public option is preserved.<br /><br />If this bill is going to die, its going to be because Obama moves so far to the right that it will no longer be worth passing.<br /><br />And in case you haven't noticed, the "polling" still shows that 1) America wants some form of health care reform, and 2) they trust Obama and the Democrats more than they trust the Republicans and the health care industry to deliver that reform. Surely the significance hasn't been lost on you that none of Obama's declining poll numbers have been met with a corresponding increase in Republican numbers.<br /><br />I've seen plenty of protests before, and I have never seen this kind of unmitigated *RAGE* outside the West Bank and Gaza. These people aren't angry that their voices aren't being heard, they're angry that their voices are no longer *the only ones that matter*.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3098264341625381422.post-91654606441925102872009-08-08T05:47:43.358-07:002009-08-08T05:47:43.358-07:00Yeah, those maybe the same history books that cred...Yeah, those maybe the same history books that credit FDR with ending the Great Depression. <br /><br />What were all these folks basically right about? Our budget deficit is now nearly $2 trillion. Do you think that's a good thing? Will the history books really ignore this? <br /><br />The problem with looking at a narrow set of economic data to determine how things look is that you get excited too early. Jobs and GDP did better than expected in the last three months. That doesn't actually mean that these folks will be proven right. <br /><br />The budget deficit will become an albatross. There are no two ways about it. <br /><br />As for not having a first nail in the ooffin, I guess you must have missed the CBO's endless stream of numbers saying this plan is bunk. You also must have missed about how the polls are turning against this plan. You must have missed how they've not passed it in either chamber. <br /><br />The only bill we have on record is a totaly nightmare and its only now being examined. <br /><br />http://theeprovocateur.blogspot.com/2009/07/definitive-dossier-on-house-health-care.html<br /><br />Do you really think that the Democrats will pass a bill that will have no more than 30 some percent support because that's what will happen before the end of the month?mike volpehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02999118519606254362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3098264341625381422.post-56241260942377642142009-08-08T03:14:50.341-07:002009-08-08T03:14:50.341-07:00What if, amid all their missteps and all the harsh...What if, amid all their missteps and all the harsh criticism, the people in charge of battling the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression — Ben Bernanke, Timothy Geithner, Lawrence Summers, Henry Paulson and the rest — basically succeeded?<br /><br />It is clearly too soon to know for sure. But the evidence is now pointing pretty strongly in one direction: history books may conclude that the financial crisis of 2008 turned out to be far less bad than it could have been and that Washington deserved much of the credit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3098264341625381422.post-76475365304520638212009-08-07T22:31:04.483-07:002009-08-07T22:31:04.483-07:00Frankly, I have yet to see how you've put the ...Frankly, I have yet to see how you've put the FIRST nail in anything, much less the final one.<br /><br />Last time I checked, health care reform is voted on by Congress, not demonstrators, especially not demonstrators as factually challenged as we've seen so far (40 million illegals? seriously?).<br /><br />So which Congressmen have you convinced to change their vote, Mike? The liberal ones in safe districts who win 70% of the vote, or the Blue Dogs whom the Republicans haven't even bothered to run against for the past 2 elections?<br /><br />Your analysis reminds me of the infamous quote attributed to Pauline Kael, where she couldn't believe America voted for Nixon because everybody she knew voted for McGovern. You talk about how the goal is to make the protests themselves the story and then you claim all of America is opposed to health care reform because all you see on television is the protests.<br /><br />There's a show on Comedy Central called Important Things with Demetri Martin. One of my favorite quotes is when he says that "shouting...is the next best thing to being right."<br /><br />Rather insightful, don't you think?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3098264341625381422.post-70477995490480568122009-08-07T19:40:14.555-07:002009-08-07T19:40:14.555-07:00Well said. First we will defeat the Health Care b...Well said. First we will defeat the Health Care bill, HR 3200, then Cap and Trade. Then we will get the Stimulus repealed and we will demand the Omnibus spending bill be repealed. That legislation was passed in open defiance of the will of the people that Congress is paid to represent. This was treason and must be rectified.<br /><br />Best regards,<br />Gail S<br />http://backyardfence.wordpress.comGailhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00687566216115736416noreply@blogger.com